advertisement


Horoscopes

Sports year in review
2012 was a great year for sport - we look back at the year that has passed and the triumphs and losses we shared together.

  • dating
  • jobs
Rated: |

The problem with being nice

Guys trying to pick up women at a bar
Nice and desperate can easily be linked
Thinkstock
We've all heard that nice guys finish last when it comes to meeting, attracting and keeping women. But how much of that is true? And, if it is indeed a fact, how does one replace the so-called "nice" qualities with "bad" ones and actually see a positive response from the opposite sex?

I'll come right out and say it: I'm not completely sure. I get the impression women use the whole "nice guy" spiel as an excuse to get rid of a guy they're not really interested in. It's a way of letting someone down gently, but it's also a backhanded compliment, so it's totally useless in helping these guys get to the bottom of their dating woes.

I also suspect women are disbelieving of a squeaky-clean image. It appears a guy doesn't get a clean slate unless he has a bit of dirt on him, and since no-one's perfect, men are written off as disingenuous if they come across that way. Nice, smarmy, cheesy and push-over all play at close quarters, so what you think is "nice" possibly isn't to a prospective female.

Interesting and compelling is important
Men often say that women always go for the jerks. It's a misconception. Women are attracted to guys that are interesting and a challenge to them — some of which can be jerks. If you're fawning over a girl she'll probably be flattered and consider you nice, but she'll certainly not be attracted or see you as a challenge.

Have a backbone
When it comes to being nice I think an old cliché is worth remembering: Don't mistake nice with weak. The biggest issue with nice guys is that they don't stand up for themselves, or at least that's the unshakable label that's attached to them.

How do you lose the pushover tag? Easy — have an opinion, don't change your mindset to mimic hers and don't buckle at her every request. In fact, she'll probably be sick and tired of blokes pretending they know her and bending at her every whim. This type of behaviour almost enforces the idea that you're not good enough for her.

There's also the problem that guys that are too nice won't be protective or stand up for her, whether it be verbal or physical. Most ladies like a guy who's masculine and powerful when they need to be. You don't need to be a muscle man or over-pumped jock to be masculine.

Don't put females on pedestals
A classic nice guy mistake is gushing over a girl. Yes she's beautiful and yes she's got your attention. No doubt she's got the attention of many men, so why join the flock? It is possible to register your interest with a woman without acting like she's a centrefold come to life.

Ask yourself, is she really that important and fantastic? Most likely she's not, and that's the problem with so-called "nice guys" — they're a drag due to the importance they put on everything. With the mindset that every girl is "the one" and every rejection massively upsetting, nice guys are frequently in a state of self-pity.

Girls can sense this almost immediately. Even if you're not overly confident by nature, you can still be upbeat, forthright and engaging. And, if you want something, go for it. You can be a little ruthless at times without being overbearing or pushy.

Be genuine
There is one major issue that nice guys frequently overlook: authenticity is the key. Trying to worm your way in with a girl by "earning" her or manufacturing an attraction is sneaky. Women can spot a fake, at least the intelligent ones can, so be sincere about yourself and let your own natural qualities shine while respecting hers. I'd much rather someone describe me as "genuine" rather than "nice".

I also don't think that spending a pile of money on dinner and drinks is necessarily nice. Nor is bombarding her with flowers or other superficial treats. Sure, at times it's charming and generous, but any bloke with money can buy gifts and as a result these items mean next to nothing. A good person is there when needed, offers unconditional support and has character. They don't look to buy someone's affection and wait to be rewarded for being "nice".

This expectation that a girl will notice you and fall in love with you over time gives females far more credit than they deserve. Yes, it happens from time to time and many people like to be friends before partners. My point is, don't expect this to happen — ie, don't see it as a proven formula. There are no proven formulas. Treat every woman as an individual and not a clone of the last girl you met. You'll be surprised by the results.

Remember, you can be a really decent individual without being too nice. It's up to you to find the line you're comfortable with, but if you're always true to your own values you can't fall too far from the mark. If that doesn't get the woman's attention, she's not worth the effort.

Is a nice guy a weak guy? What qualities are best when attracting women? Have your say below.

Email us at nzmen@msn.co.nz

Share on Facebook: Share

Be a fan of NZ MEN on facebook

Subscribe to the NZ MEN Newsletter

User comments
All the talk is great but msn men is overloaded with porn looking babes in bikinis and then articles like this...don't be THAT nice. Nice girls are the ones to finish last every time. I can't compete with girls who have been giving oral in locker rooms since they were 13. Overly sexualized females targeted towards men is the problem not the ones in women's magazines.
This goes out to all the good guys out there memorize a few good jokes because you know no matter what us girls love a guy who can make her laugh. That easy! Oh yeah and don't aim too high because maybe that's why you aren't getting any haha
I don't think this should be over analyzed, I say to a man you are a nice guy but I am not interested because of one simple reason, he is a nice guy who someone else will love and appreciate but unfortunately for reasons that are only related to me, he doesn't do it for me but there is nothing wrong with him! I don't mean he is a pushover, or that if he was more assertive I would like him etc. I just mean that despite that fact he is a great man, and worthy of a relationship he doesn't do it for me. I do not like bad boys, they are awful to be with and leave you relieved when you are finally away from them and you hope like hell you will hever have to endure their ilk again. The only women who want them need some counselling. Recently I met a nice guy who I was interested in who wasn't interested in me, disappointing but I am not going to get into a big anaylsis about what is wrong with men to make it hurt less or protect my self esteem. It is what it is.
if you like the look of each other just hook up, have sex and deal with all that other *** later. Because you can change a persons bad habits or so called weakness' given a bit of time. So why deny yourself something that you find attractive because of a percieved flaw that can usually be dealt with quite easily.
well Ive gotta say Ive lived in Oz for 15 yrs and a yr back in N.Z and my experience is that aussie guys love kiwi girls coz they are generally hard working,sure of themselves and know how to be one of the boys....as opposed to Ozzie girls whos primary concern is how much the guy earns and what they look like.Im probably generalising here but based on my experience you can see through a fake straight away ie someone who is just after sex or full of it.In my eyes my aussie man is perfect because he has a bit of mongrel in him (ie could fight for his life),but a heart of gold and is old fashioned ie always puts the womans needs first (not selfish),I think the world is getting too complicated and that both parties need to be self sufficient and whole within themselves to attract a likeminded partner who has the barriers down (nothing worse than a serial dater who has had bad experiences and is stuck in the "hurt" or "damaged" mentality"),GO for the nice one girls that had been bad!!!
what will you say if a guy has been through a long relationship,8 yrs plus.and had lost all faith in love...meets many other girls,after,and nothing re-ignites his feelings...then along comes arandom girl,whos little different,and makes him feel that shes someone he wants to be with. What if he is willing to spend his last penny to be with her,and do ANYTHING for her.....what if after a long time this girl makes him feel there is love,and this guy wants to do things right,and put all his learnings from last broken mistakes.he communicates to her about it all ...she seems to understand and have some understanding,BUT shes confused with her ex. and still cant think straight.she is focused about her all time,and gets upset if things dont happen her way.the guys does everything possible to do anything to keep her happy.BUT in return hurts when u dnt feel theres much appreciation for things and effort u put in. Is this where the guy is supposed to back off and let it go ?
kiwi women are so difficult, i used to think it was all women until i moved to aussie. I think thats what keeps most men over here, not the better money, but the better partners, healthier relationships and happy lifestyle. one piece of advice to kiwi women- men liked to be too, not at. funny how these articles always talk about what the women want and not men. women need to get real and see the inverse of the dating equation and most dont. nice guys in a way are gold because they automatically compromise and as said in a previous statement end up being "plan b" for the majority of selfish women when the other guys get sick of being bent over
I think every females are different individuals, as a female my self I like the guy who stands out from crowd not necessarily with physical appearance, but definitely attitude and strength in the guy. As a female if looking into relationship we chose someone who has the right attributes and consisten.mostly who has confident and self pride without being a jerk. We like strength in the guy mostly because naturally guy would protect us in so many ways of situation, and being strong doesn't mean they have to beat the crap out of us, so to us bullie guys are weakest guys ever. We hate any term of bullies, either verbal or physical. That's not what we called challenging, although we like challenging guy! In term of challenging guy is who can compete in positve and creative imagination that would lead to positive out come. I am sure everyone are creative in their own ways. I am a strong minded person and indeed strong minded guy appeals more to me than just macho out look or wealth.
How interesting, I'm a mum and you guys responding sound really great- I just wish my daughter met you rather than the last three jerks who messed her around.is she attracted to the wrong sort? Who knows...she said she thought they were nice,genuine guys -they mostly seem like young guys who were just keeping a score card.
What a load of crap, maybe it's the guys with the problem and not us "women". What if it's u lot that want ur dream girl, the perfect girl who u can just place on a bloody pedestil. We don't want our guy 2 b a jerk no matter what. No women ever wants 2 be lied 2, maybe we ask u things cause we generally want 2 know your opinion. Not all women go 4 the goodlooking, rich, tall guy - I'm with a guy who sure i think is good looking but that's my opinion, has no job - doing courses and is the same height so what the hell r u going on about. Everyone is different, each have different opinions and ideals. Most girls like a guy for who they are, personality and all - not the looks or job or how rich they r - otherwise we would b looking 4 this perfect guy that just doesn't exist. But when we - guys and girls find that person we love, u will find that they will b perfect in ur eyes and thats what is important at the end of the day.

Write a comment
Email: *
Your email will not be shared with any third parties or published with your comment.
Nickname: *
Location: *

Title:
*
Comment:
*
Maximum characters 1000

Comment guidelines > View full guidelines
Avoid using:
  • Personal attacks
  • Irrelevant comments
  • HTML tags
  • Personal information
  • Offensive language
  • Text in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS
comment guidelines X
Thank you for sharing your opinions with other users of NineMSN. People will find your comments more helpful if you include relevant information and avoid some common pitfalls.
Please note: All reviews and comments submitted are subject to moderation, NineMSN reserves the right to alter and / or remove any content that does not comply with usage guidelines.
What to include in your comment:
  • A title that briefly summarizes the opinion expressed in the comment.
  • Additional comments adding more detail.
  • Comparisons to other similar products, if this is relevant.
  • To create a new paragraph, press the Enter key twice.
What not to include:
  • Information that will quickly go out of date.
  • Comments on other comments or commenters.
  • Language that other users may find offensive.
  • comments of one sentence or less. Provide information to support your opinion.
  • Personal information like your email address or telephone number.
  • HTML coding. Tags like <b> or <i> will not be recognized.